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Janet Milne

F, #468, b. 22 December 1823, d. 6 June 1896
  • Birth*: Janet Milne was born on 22 December 1823 at Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland; 1823 December 22 James Miln weaver & May Mathew; Janet born 22 Dec bapt 28 Dec ; named for J Miln aunt.1,2
  • She was the daughter of James Milne and Marjory Matthew.
  • Church Records*: Janet Milne was recorded in Tay Square Church 1876 Communicants record book : first time Oct 1841 in October 1841 at 166 Scouringburn, Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland.3
  • (Bride) Marriage*: She married James Miller, son of James Miller and Elizabeth Anderson, on 29 December 1845 at Liff Benvie & Invergowrie, Forfarshire, Scotland; Liff 13th December 1845; This day James Millar and Janet Milne both in the eastern district of this parish gave up their names to be proclaimed in order to marriage; James Dickson, Session Clerk; Parish of Liff & Benvie, County of Forfar.4,5
  • Married Name: As of 29 December 1845, her married name was Miller.6
  • (Witness) Church Records: Janet Milne was recorded in Tay Square Church baptismal record book with Marjory Miln Miller on 25 January 1847.3
  • (Spouse) Death: Her spouse James Miller died on 14 June 1881 at 166 Scouringburn, Dundee, Angus, Scotland; 1881 deaths in the district of St Mary in the burgh of Dundee, ref 334; James Miller jute warehouseman married to Janet Milne; died 14 June 1881 11hr 53m PM, 166 Scouringburn, Dundee; male aged 62 years; parents James Miller auctioneer (deceased) and Elizabeth Miller ms Anderson (deceased); cause of death phthisis pulmonalis 2 years, as cert by David MacEwan MD; informant Alexander Miller, son (present); registered 15th June 1881 at Dundee Jas Anderson Registrar.7
  • (Deceased) Death*: Janet Milne died on 6 June 1896 at 2 Heans Lane, Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland, at age 72 1896 Deaths in the District of St Peter in the Burgh of Dundee; Janet Miller widow of James Miller, Cloth Stower; died 6 June 1896 9hr 30m am; 2 Heans Lane, Dundee; aged 72 years; Father James Milne, Cloth Stower (deceased); Mother Marjory Milne ms Mackie (deceased); Cause of death - Cancer of Stomach, 5 months; As cert by David MacEwan MD; Informant Jessie Miller, daughter & inmate (present); Registered 9th June 1896 at Dundee - D Young Assistant Registrar - initialled TYM.8
  • (Witness) Photograph: She is connected to this photograph taken in September 2017 at Tay Square Church, Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland, showing the remains of the building; along with Charles Robert Kirkwood Lawson, Elizabeth Anderson Miller, James Milne Miller, Margaret Abercrombie Porter, William Miller, Charles Milne Miller, Marion McKenzie Conway, James Miller, Agnes Fisher Miller, Jessie Milne Miller, Marion McKenzie Miller, Alexander Miller, Lizzie Conway Miller, Margaret Ambrose Porter Miller, Kate Nicolson, Catherine Nicolson Miller, Hope Myra Conway Miller and Rhoda Nicolson Miller.9
    Tay Square photos taken Sept 2017 by AD

Census Events

Member of Household6 June 1841Janet Milne was listed in the 1841 census at Small's Wynd, Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland. James Miln, M, 42, linen warper, Angus; [Jannet] Miln, F, 45, Angus; Jannet Miln, F, 15, Angus.10
Spouse30 March 1851She was listed in the household of James Miller in the 1851 census at 17 Small's Wynd, Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland. James Miller, head, mar, 32, carter, Dundee; Janet, wife, mar, 27, carter's wife, Dundee. Marjory Miln Miller were also listed in the household.11,12
Spouse7 April 1861She was listed in the household of James Miller in the 1861 census at 10 Lowdens Alley, Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland. Parish of Liff, Parliamentary Burgh of Dundee; 10 Lowdens Alley; James Miller, head, married, aged 40, Warehouseman flax & jute factory, born Dundee Forfarshire; Janet Miller, wife, married, aged 37, born Dundee Forfarshire. Alexander Miller, James Milne Miller, John Miller, Marjory Miln Miller and Janet Miller were also listed in the household.13
Principal7 April 1861Janet Milne appeared in the 1861 census at 10 Lowdens Alley, Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland. Wife - Mar - 37 - Dundee.14
Spouse2 April 1871She was listed in the household of James Miller in the 1871 census at 18 Lowden's Alley, Liff & Benvie, Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland. James Miller, head, married, 52, Warehouseman, Forfarshire Dundee; Janet Miller, wife, married, 48, Forfarshire Dundee. Alexander Miller, James Milne Miller, Janet Miller, John Miller, William Miller and Charles Milne Miller were also listed in the household.15
Spouse3 April 1881She was listed in the household of James Miller in the 1881 census at 166 Scouringburn, Liff & Benvie, Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland. James Miller, head, married, aged 62, Warehouseman in Jute Factory, born Dundee Forfar, Janet Milne (Miller), wife, married, aged 57, Wife to Warehouseman, born Dundee Forfar. Alexander Miller, Janet Miller, William Miller and Charles Milne Miller were also listed in the household.16,17
Principal3 April 1881Janet Milne appeared in the 1881 census at 166 Scouringburn, Dundee, Angus, Scotland. Wife - Mar - 57 - Wife to Warehouseman - Dundee.18
Head of Household5 April 1891She was listed as head of household in the 1891 census at 166 Scouringburn, Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland. Janet Miller, head, widow, aged 67, born Dundee Forfarshire; 3 rooms with windows; also in the household was Alexander Miller, Janet Miller and Charles Milne Miller.19
Last Edited: 2 Mar 2018

Parents:

Father*: James Milne b. 30 Sep 1797, d. 9 Jan 1862
Mother*: Marjory Matthew b. c 1795, d. 8 Nov 1873

Family:

James Miller b. 23 May 1817, d. 14 Jun 1881
  • (Bride) Marriage*: Janet Milne married James Miller, son of James Miller and Elizabeth Anderson, on 29 December 1845 at Liff Benvie & Invergowrie, Forfarshire, Scotland; Liff 13th December 1845; This day James Millar and Janet Milne both in the eastern district of this parish gave up their names to be proclaimed in order to marriage; James Dickson, Session Clerk; Parish of Liff & Benvie, County of Forfar.4,5

Children:

Marjory Miln Miller+ b. 25 Jan 1847, d. 18 Jun 1871
Alexander Miller b. 1852, d. 5 Jan 1893
James Milne Miller+ b. 20 Apr 1854, d. 12 Mar 1919
Janet Miller b. 3 May 1856
John Miller b. 14 Jul 1858
William Miller+ b. 21 Jul 1861, d. 8 Feb 1946
Charles Milne Miller b. 17 Mar 1864, d. 7 Nov 1951
Joseph Miller b. 27 Sep 1866, d. 22 Jul 1867
  • Residence: Janet Milne and James Miller lived; The Gazetteer of Scotland by W Chalmers, published in 1803 gives this description of the Parish of Liff, Benvie and Invergowrie : The united parishes are about 3 miles in length and nearly the same breadth. The surface rises with an easy ascent from the Tay, except towards the south west where it joins to the parish of Dundee. The higher ground forms a ridge, stretching obliquely in a direction from East to West, and behind is an extensive tract of muir, where there are some plantations, but no marks of cultivation. The muir is bounded by the water of the Dichty, which rises in the parish of Lundie, and runs south and east through the valley of Strathmartin. There are several villages, viz, Locheye, Millhouse, Liff, Benvie and Invergowrie: the latter is noted as the site of the first Christian church erected on the north side of the river Tay.
    The first Statistical Account of Scotland for the parish of “Liff and Bervie (sic)” written around 1792 by the then incumbent of the parish church, the Rev. Mr Thomas Constable, describes the parish in great detail. He states that the union of the parishes of Liff and Bervie happened in November 1758 and that Liff comprehended the old parishes of Logie and Invergowrie; both of which, as appears from the records of the kirk-session, were united to it before the middle of last century (which of course was sometime during the 17th century). From his descriptions, it seems that the amalgamated parish included parts of Lochee (written then as Locheye, although the pronunciation probably hasn’t changed) and Balgay Hill. Describing the land to the east of Balgay Hill he says it is either wholly planted or cultivated, and a low narrow dale, extending from thence westward through the village of Bervie …Along this agreeable exposure, are interspersed houses, trees, and fields in culture. Talking of the watercourses in the parish he describes the burn of Invergowrie, and here, in the months of March and April, sea-trout are sometimes found of 4lbs weight.
    Commenting on the population, the Rev Constable notes that in cases of marriage here, it often happens, that the man is far less advanced in life than the woman he marries. The former depends much on the experience of the latter, and generally too on the savings of her industry, to enable him to begin with some comfort a married life: This disparity of years happening on the side of the woman, must needs be a hinderance to population. And in a footnote he continues The register of baptisms … is not to be considered as giving an accurate account of the births in it. Children that are still-born, or die unbaptized are never mentioned in the public register; besides there are parents, who sometimes from neglect, and sometime from parsimony, do not insert in it their childrens’ names, and by Dissenters this duty is often omitted entirely. He is equally critical of the recording of deaths – particularly due to a perceived rivalry over mortcloths with the church at Logie in the neighbouring parish of Dundee!
    There then follows lengthy discourse on the state of the land, the methods employed in the agriculture of the time, the prices paid for horses for the plough and the numbers of “milch cows”. The areas described as Locheye and Milehouse (so called to mark the distance from Dundee) seems to have housed various manufacturers, mainly of the course linens, known from their breadth as “yard wides” and “three quarter wides”.
    Familiar place and road names pop up throughout the text – Pitalpin ; known then as Pitalpie or Pit of Alpin and ascribed to being the scene of a memorable engagement in the 9th century between the Picts and Scots in which the latter were routed and Alpin their king slain. Apparently the king’s head was transported to Abernethy for public viewing, but his body was buried at Pitalpie. On top of a small hill east of Pitalpie there was still visible a stone called the King’s Cross.
    The parochial school averaged 35 scholars, but it was noted that it was extremely difficult for the children to attend during the winter months as the roads were almost impassable. It appears that this was viewed by Mr Constable as a meagre school roll and he states the whole emoluments are too inconsiderable for a teacher of any merit or capacity. And he regarded the five private schools as for the most part indifferently taught. The poor did not seem the cause any major difficulty, seeming to have been provided for in the usual way from the income of the church from mortcloth hiring, proclamations of marriage, rents of a few seats in the church and collections at the church door.

    In the Second Statistical Account written in September 1842 by the Rev. George Addison, DD, minister of the parish of Liff and Benvie we find some clarification (and disagreement with the Gazetteer of earlier years – or maybe there were further boundary changes) of the extent of the parish. He admits that the lands of Logie, Balgay and Blackness are indeed part of the parish and that a considerable portion of the suburbs of Dundee to the west and north is built on these lands. But dismisses unreservedly the inhabitants of the parish of Logie … as … having, from time immemorial, been connected with Dundee, quoad spiritualia, it will not be necessary to take any further notice of this part of the united parish! He also notes that for nearly two centuries the minister of Dundee had received an annual payment of twelve bolls of barley … expressly for the sacraments and marriage to the heritors and inhabitants of the lands of Balgay and Logie, and the lands of Blackness. Mr Addison describes the parish as situated at the south-west corner of the county of Forfar, being bounded on the west by the parishes of Fowlis Easter and Longforgan (both in Perthshire) on the on the South, by the river Tay; on the east, by Dundee and the United parish of Mains and Strathmartine; and on the north, by the Dighty, a small river which divides it from the parishes of Auctherhouse and Lundie. The extent is about 6 miles from east to west, and 4 miles from north to south. … There is no river in the parish. … Near the village of Benvie is a spring strongly impregnated with iron. It was formerly in great repute as a tonic, and was applied externally in cutaneous disorders, but is now entirely neglected.
    There is tremendous discussion of the geology of the area, involving red and gray sandstone and a discovery of fossil organic remains in the den of Balruddery by Mr Webster, the proprietor. It is noted that there is nothing very peculiar or rare in the botany of this parish … but … the romantic dells and glens which abound in this neighbourhood are, in the season, richly clothed with the most beautiful plants and flowers.
    There are four mansion houses briefly described – the House of Gray (owned by the Rt Hon Lord Gray), Camperdown House (the Rt Hon Earl of Camperdown), the mansion house at Invergowrie (Alexander Clayhills, Esq) and Balruddery House (Robert Webster, Esq). Other land-owners are noted as Frederick Lewis Scrimgeour Wedderburn, Esq. of Wedderburn and Birkhill, William Henderson, Esq. Of Mylnefield, Mr Thomas Watson, Liff and Mr James Waddel.
    The population is discussed and from this it is apparent that some form of census was taken at irregular intervals from the middle eighteenth century, if not earlier. Genealogists are aware of nation-wide 10-yearly censuses taken from 1801, but are advised that the first one of any real benefit to them is the 1841 census. But it is interesting to read that the wrangle over the village of Lochee continues … that village now being politically connected with Dundee, or within the Parliamentary boundary, the population at the last census (June 1841) was taken in connection with Dundee, and not with this parish. On that account, the precise amount of the inhabitants of Lochee is not known to me; but it cannot be under 3000 souls. Mr Addison, in his concern with the moral and secular welfare of the parish, notes that seven illegitimate children were born within the parish in the previous three years, but in most cases the parents married afterwards; that three of the patients in the Dundee Lunatic Asylum are parishioners, as is one in the care of a family at the expense of the kirk-session and five by their relations; and that a brother and sister are deaf and dumb. He generously states that the character of the people is by and large peaceable and industrious, and, with a few marked exceptions, sober.
    As to manufacture – Within the last sixteen or seventeen years, three spinning mills have been erected in the village of Lochee, and one at Denmiln, in the parish. Whatever advantages may accrue from these establishments, they have a very unfortunate effect on the morals and pauperism of the community. The chief, if not sole, product was coarse linen, principally for exportation, which had supplanted the weaving of household linen. Hand-spinning was almost obsolete. Many employed in the spinning and weaving found they had to supplement their income with agricultural employment when they could get it, mainly in spring and at the harvest time. Addison estimates that around 2000 folk in Lochee were employed in manufacture at this time and comments … The depressed state of the linen trade, for some time past, has been severely felt by the operatives in this quarter. Many families have, in consequence, been brought to a state of indigence and destitution. But he states elsewhere … At Bullion, near Invergowrie, an extensive work for bleaching and dying yarn and cloth has lately been established. The necessary erections have been made with great care, and at considerable expense. There is on the premises a water-wheel of 14 horses’ power, and a steam-engine of 6. A gasometer has been fitted up solely for the use of the work.
    For the farmers, trade was brisk with near-by Dundee. Weavers and the like were persuaded by low feus to take up Mr Wedderburn of Birkhill’s offer of small portions of land on the turnpike road to Meigle and Coupar-Angus giving them a convenient location for their trade.
    In about 1830, at last the parochial school was moved to a far better, but undisclosed, location (the writer assumes all readers will know where it is (the present spot)!) but it was recognised that having the school at Denmiln was most inconvenient and almost inaccessible in winter. Another school was built, in the questionable Lochee, in 1837. The year before the Account was written, a “school of industry” for young females was initiated under the patronage of Countess of Camperdown. In total, about 500 children were receiving education of some sort in the parish at this time.
    Mr Addison describes his concern over the steep rise in pauperism, with the need in 1841 to recourse to a legal method of assessment. Including the upkeep of the inmates of the Lunatic Asylum and the fatherless babies, he indicates that 49 folk required some sort of aid, with an average of 7 shillings per head per month spent. He is critical of the apparent money-grubbing attitude that prevailed, and in particular, the difficulty of bringing absent fathers to account – nothing in this world is new!
    His last comments support the recurring theme of “bad Lochee”! The number of public-houses in the parish of Liff proper is four, situated generally at considerable distances from each other. In Lochee there are at least twelve, including shops where spirits are sold, both in and out of doors. Poor old degenerate Lochee!20,21,22

Citations

  1. [S1] International Genealogical Index (IGI) (Salt Lake City, Utah, USA: International Genealogical Index), C112828.
  2. [S35] Old Parochial Register of pre-1855 (General Record Office of Scotland) image held; OPR births 282/0150 0198 Dundee [Mar 2007].
  3. [S21] Headstone Photograph; , Tay Square Church records at Dundee City Coucil Archives [Sept 2017].
  4. [S36] Old Parochial Register of marriage,pre-1855 (General Record Office of Scotland) OPR LIff & Benvie, ref 301 [Jun 2004].
  5. [S1] International Genealogical Index (IGI), M113014.
  6. [S36] OPR pre-1855 Parish of Liff & Benvie, County of Forfar
    Liff 13th December 1845
    This day James Millar and Janet Milne both in the eastern district of this parish gave up their names to be proclaimed in order to marriage
    James Dickson, Sesion Clerk.
  7. [S50] Unknown subject, International Genealogical Index (IGI) (New Register House, Edinburgh, Scotland: General Record Office of Scotland), GROS statutory deaths St mary Dundee 282/2 334 [May 2004].
  8. [S50] International Genealogical Index (IGI), 1896 282/1 St Peter 244.
  9. [S21] Headstone Photograph; , AD [Sept 2017].
  10. [S13] Website FreeCEN UK Census Online Project (http://www.freecen.org.uk/) [Mar 2007].
  11. [S17] General Record Office for Scotland, online www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, General Record Office for Scotland (Edinburgh, Scotland), GROS Mar 2007 282/00 0023/00 025 [June 2006].
  12. [S9] Website Ancestry.co.uk (www.ancestry.co.uk) Source Citation: Parish: Dundee; ED: 23; Page: 19; Line: ; Roll: 1175; Year: 1851. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1851 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006. Original data: Scotland. 1851 Scotland Census. Reels 1-217. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. [May 2011]
  13. [S17] General Record Office for Scotland, Parish of Liff, Parliamentary Burgh of Dundee; 10 Lowdens Alley.
  14. [S17] General Record Office for Scotland, Parish of Liff, Parliamentary Burgh of Dundee
    10 Lowdens Alley
    James Miller, head, married, aged 40, Warehouseman flax & jute factory, born Dundee Forfarshire
    Janet Miller, wife, married, aged 37, born Dundee Forfarshire
    Alexander Miller, son, unmarried, aged 9, scholar, born Dundee Forfarshire
    James Miller, son, aged 6, scholar, born Dundee Forfarshire
    John Miller, son, aged 2, born Dundee Forfarshire
    Marjory Miller, daughter, aged 14, unmarried, Flax & Jute Poweloom Weaver, born Dundee Forfarshire
    Janet Miller, daughter, aged 4, born Dundee Forfarshire.
  15. [S17] General Record Office for Scotland, GROS census 1871 Liff & Benvie [May 2004].
  16. [S17] General Record Office for Scotland, 1881 British Census, 166 Souringburn, Liff & Benvie, Forfar, Scotland 0203482 282-2 17 24.
  17. [S9] Website Ancestry.co.uk (www.ancestry.co.uk) Source Citation: Parish: Liff and Benvie; ED: 17; Page: 24; Line: 13; Roll: cssct1881_83; Year: 1881. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1881 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007. Original data: Scotland. 1881 Scotland Census. Reels 1-338. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. [May 2011]
  18. [S17] General Record Office for Scotland, 1881 British Census
    166 Souringburn
    Liff & Benvie, Forfar, Scotland
    0203482 282-2 17 24
    James Miller, head, married, aged 62, Warehouseman in Jute Factory, born Dundee Forfar Scotland
    Janet Milne (Miller), wife, married, aged 57, Wife to Warehouseman, born Dundee Forfar Scotland
    Alexander Miller, son, unmarried, aged 29, House Joiner, born Dundee Forfar Scotland
    Jessie Miller, daughter, unmarried, aged 24, Carpet Weaver, born Dundee Forfar Scotland
    William Miller, son, unmarried, aged 19, Tenter in Jute Factory, born Dundee Forfar Scotland
    Charles Miller, son, unmarried, aged 16, Worker in Hecklemaker, born Dundee Forfar Scotland.
  19. [S17] General Record Office for Scotland, GROS census 1891 Liff & Benvie, Dundee [May 2004].
  20. [S49] Website Web Site online (www.) http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ANS/LiffBenvieAndInvergowrie/index.html
  21. [S37] Directory Dundee (Dundee:, http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/sas/sas.asp/?monospace=&twoup=&nohighlight=&account=1&transcript=&session-id=01fdc6d786cd0f5c91e3ca1daf3f081b&naecache=5&accountrec=7492&navbar=&action=publicdisplay&parish=Liff%20and%20Benvie&county=Forfar&pagesize=. Hereinafter cited as Dundee Directory.
  22. [S49] Website Web Site online (www.) http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/sas/sas.asp/?monospace=&twoup=&nohighlight=&account=2&transcript=&session-id=01fdc6d786cd0f5c91e3ca1daf3f081b&naecache=5&accountrec=11148&navbar=&action=publicdisplay&parish=Liff%20and%20Benvie&county=Forfar&pagesize=