- Birth*: Elizabeth Ford was born on 27 June 1881 at St Andrew, Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland,
.1 - She was the daughter of David Ford harbour porter,foreman in hide and tallow store and Isabella Ritchie domestic servant.1
- Marriage*: Elizabeth Ford married Robert Edward mercantile clerk, son of David Edward groom, coachman and Mary Ann Adamson bar maid, on Wednesday, 19 November 1902 at 35 George IV Bridge, Edinburgh, Lothianshire, Scotland,
; 1902 marriages in the district of St Giles in the city of Edinburgh, ref 810; 1902 on the Nineteenth day of November at 35 George IV Bridge Edinburgh by declaration in the presence of David Webstoer stableman and Joseph Howden coachbuilder; signed Robert Edwards mercantile clerk bachelor aged 25 residing 1 Dewar Place Lane Edinburgh parents David Edwards coachman and Mary Ann Edwards ms Adamson; signed Elizabeth Ford spinster aged 21 residing same place [as Robert Edwards] parents David Ford butcher (dec) and Isabella Ford ms Ritchie (dec); by warrant of Sheriff Substitute of the Lothians and Peebles dated 19th November 1902, registered 1902 November 19th at Edinburgh signed W F Mallon assit regsitrar.2 - Married Name: As of 19 November 1902, her married name was Edward.3
- Emigration*: Elizabeth Ford emigrated with Elizabeth Ford on an unknown person circa 1920 at USA,
; or Canada.4 - (Other subject) Contact: On 20 April 2012 there was contact from Barbara Ruth Neish contact about Johan Murray Adamson Edward insurance clerk and Elizabeth Ford. From: Barbara Neish [mailto:neishnook@ibl.bm]
Sent: 20 April 2012 00:03
To: Pat Carson
Subject: Johana Murray Adamson Dewar
Hello Pat
Perhaps you will remember me and my FORD family connection ? This question is in connection with the ADAMSON branch. My 2nd cousin and I have been trying to unravel a lot of old photos etc left by her Grandmother Elizabeth FORD – my Grandmother is the sister, Isabella FORD (married Francis Wylie NEISH). Elizabeth left a number of photos and post cards etc from a James DEWAR and we wondered if he had married one of the other FORD sisters. We have had no luck finding any of the husbands of the other sisters. To-day I learnt that he did NOT marry a Ford. As the attachment shows, his wife was JOHANA MURRAY ADAMSON DEWAR. With Adamson being a middle (or her maiden name) that might be a clue – making her a Cousin to our Grandmothers? I seem to recall that you have done ADAMSON research. Might you know about a Johana ? A bit about James Dewar below.
Best regards
Barbara Neish
Bermuda
I may have found him for you on Ancestry. I have found a James Thompson Dewar b 1881 and living at 17 Seymour Street Dundee and in the RGA! sounds like him!!
Janet
In a message dated 19/04/2012 20:39:28 GMT Daylight Time, neishnook@ibl.bm writes:
Janet
Here is the bit I have on JAMES DEWAR – don’t spend any time on it though (unless you have a very lazy day…)
This was located on the list from the Castle of Edinburgh as born in Dundee, James Thomson Dewar, service #163127, died (at home) May 19, 1920. Royal Garrison Artillery Gnr.
Two sons Edward and Ronnie Dewar noted on family papers.
May have been born Dundee 1872 – Died May 19,1920
As the 1891 census has him in England & Single – he might have married there after 1891 ? IF that is him.
Barbara
1891 Census
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Census 1891
Piece: RG12/1681 Place: St Thomas -Devon Enumeration District: 01
Civil Parish: Heavitree Ecclesiastical Parish: Heavitree
Folio: 78 Page: 1 Schedule: 0
Address: Artillery Barracks Heavitree
Surname
First name(s)
Rel
Status
Sex
Age
Occupation
Where Born
DEWAR
James
Sldier
S
M
19
Driver Royal Artillery
Scotland - -
From: Pat Carson
To: 'Barbara Neish'
Sent: Fri 20/04/2012 13:42
Subject: RE: Johana Murray Adamson Dewar
Hi Barbara,
Yes still tracking Ford folk at this end – but will admit to not having had time recently to investigate some of the wider family! You remember correctly about the Adamson connection – for that is my ‘own’ name ie maiden name. You will find all my folk on my website here www.genesontheweb.co.uk
Now your Johan Murray Adamson Dewar ms Edward is interesting – and I thought she might connect to some of my more far-flung Adamsons – so I tracked her family back a bit, but in fact they came from Fife, not Angus. (I’ve been trying to limit my interest to Adamson folk who have a BMD event in Angus.)
So from the marriage records that I’ve downloaded from ScotlandsPeople (attached) you can see that
Johan Murray Adamson Edward has parents David Edwards and Mary Anne Adamson (m Dundee 1875)
Mary Anne Adamson has parents Alexander Adamson and Agnes Murray (m Elie, Fife 1842)
I haven’t taken it back any further or investigated the family of any of them, but if you have access to Ancestry and/or ScotlandsPeople you might be able to put some flesh on the bones.
Thanks for thinking of me – I’m always fascinated to see how all theses folk fit together (or not!).
Hope this helps. Do keep in touch.
Pat
From: Barbara Neish [mailto:neishnook@ibl.bm]
Sent: 20 April 2012 14:56
To: Pat Carson
Subject: Smiling in Bermuda
Hello Pat
I am smiling this morning. Our mystery JAMES DEWAR now solved. His wife Johan, with the maiden name of EDWARD is the answer. My 2nd cousin, Diane Macara’s Grandmother, Elizabeth FORD married Robert EDWARD. It is quite possible that Johana DEWAR, nee EDWARD is a sister to Robert. I certainly am indebted to you for taking on my mystery. Below, should it be of interest, is the FORD connection. Everything has an answer – such a pleasure when one is found. Interesting the ADAMSON connection too. I know cousin Diane will be thrilled – all credit goes to YOU.
Hugs from Bermuda
Cousin Barbara
Descendants of Robert Edward & Elizabeth FORD
1 Robert EDWARD
b: February 1877 in Scotland - Emigrated to Canada/USA abt 1920
d: Abt 1936 in Chicago, Illinois USA
.. +Elizabeth FORD (Parents David Ford & Isabella Ritchie)
b: July 16, 1881 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Emigrated to Canada/USA abt 1920
...... 2 Lena Ford EDWARD
b: 1902 in Scotland
Emigrated to Chicago USA Sept 6, 1920
d: May 23, 1936 in Allegheny County, Pittsburgh, Pa, USA
.......... +William Finlay Morrison MACARA
b: October 22, 1891 in Govan, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Emigrated May 7, 1920 Chicago USA 1920s
m: Abt 1920 in Scotland (Divorced between 1925 to 1927
.............. 3 Irene MACARA
b: March 13, 1920 in Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Emigrated to Canada/USA Sept 6, 1920
d: August 15, 1994 in Miami, Dade, Florida
.................. +William SCHMACKER
b: November 03, 1914 in Pittsburg, PA - USA
d: February 1967 in Broward County, Florida, USA
.............. 3 William Robert Edward MACARA
b: June 11, 1922 in Chicago, Illinois, USA
d: December 23, 2007 in Illinois, USA
.................. +Elizabeth Louise (Betty Lou) TAYLOR
b: November 08, 1920 in Pittsburg, PA - USA
d: August 1992 in Pittsburg, PA - USA
...................... 4 Debra MACARA b: in USA
........................... +Richard FLOOD
...................... 4 Diane MACARA b: in USA
........................... +David GEORGE
............................... 5 Maddie GEORGE
...................... 4 Donna MACARA b: in USA
........................... +Robert WHITAKER
...................... 4 Dorothy MACARA b: in USA
........................... +Daniel BIELECKI
...... *2nd Husband of Lena Ford Edward:
.......... +James R. BRADLEY
b: Abt 1899 in ? Kentucky, USA
m: 1932 in Marion county, Indianapolis, Indiana, USA
From: Pat Carson
To: 'Barbara Neish'
Sent: Fri 20/04/2012 15:35
Subject: RE: Smiling in Bermuda
Delighted to have been of help! Please can I add the relevant FORD bits to mine? They will end up on the web – deceased only – in due course if that’s ok.
And interesting regarding the Edward connection – did you know that a later FORD married an EDWARD too? Here he is – any connection? http://www.genesontheweb.co.uk/p171.htm
And I’ll attach his earlier marriage if its any use.
P
From: Barbara Neish [mailto:neishnook@ibl.bm]
Sent: 20 April 2012 16:24
To: Pat Carson
Subject: Elizabeth EDWARD - nee FORD with daughter Lena Ford EDWARD
Elizabeth EDWARD - nee FORD with daughter Lena Ford EDWARD Visiting sister Isabella Neish nee Ford in Toronto - c 1920s
Yes Pat
You may add the Elizabeth FORD / George EDWARD branch - eliminating any living. My Grandmother, Isabella FORD died before I was born. Diane getting into the old box left by her sister, Elizabeth FORD has given me a whole chapter I knew nothing about. Pleased the sisters visited each other often.
Lots of photos came my way. Thought you might like the one I have attached?
Thank you for the 'other' Edward/Ford marriage. I see I do have them but listed as 'Frank & Mina'- I will correct that.
You can claim Diane & I as your 4th Cousins . . .~!~ Yes, let's stay in touch.
Barbara
From: Barbara Neish ]
Sent: 20 April 2012 16:24
To: Pat Carson
Subject: Elizabeth EDWARD - nee FORD with daughter Lena Ford EDWARD
Elizabeth EDWARD - nee FORD with daughter Lena Ford EDWARD Visiting sister Isabella Neish nee Ford in Toronto - c 1920s
Yes Pat
You may add the Elizabeth FORD / George EDWARD branch - eliminating any living. My Grandmother, Isabella FORD died before I was born. Diane getting into the old box left by her sister, Elizabeth FORD has given me a whole chapter I knew nothing about. Pleased the sisters visited each other often.
Lots of photos came my way. Thought you might like the one I have attached?
Thank you for the 'other' Edward/Ford marriage. I see I do have them but listed as 'Frank & Mina'- I will correct that.
You can claim Diane & I as your 4th[mailto:neishnook@ibl.bm]
Sent: 22 April 2012 16:05
To: Pat Carson
Subject: Big Thank You - From Diane
Subject: Re: Dewar & Edward Branches
Barbara,
It took me a few minutes to soak in all the information. There is a good possibility that this is correct. I am just sorry we do not have the connection to Ann or Jessie. But it looks like the Dewar mystery is solved.
I will have to invest some more time and money to get the connection for Robert Edward to David Edward. Elizabeth told my Aunt that Robert's father was a horse trainer could that also be a coachman? Will look that up tonight.
Please give a big thank you to Janet and Pat from me. Thank you for your part and the hug.
Many hugs back to you.
Diane.4 - Marriage*: Elizabeth Ford married Robert Edward mercantile clerk, son of David Edward groom, coachman and Mary Ann Adamson bar maid, on Wednesday, 19 November 1902 at 35 George IV Bridge, Edinburgh, Lothianshire, Scotland,
; 1902 marriages in the district of St Giles in the city of Edinburgh, ref 810; 1902 on the Nineteenth day of November at 35 George IV Bridge Edinburgh by declaration in the presence of David Webstoer stableman and Joseph Howden coachbuilder; signed Robert Edwards mercantile clerk bachelor aged 25 residing 1 Dewar Place Lane Edinburgh parents David Edwards coachman and Mary Ann Edwards ms Adamson; signed Elizabeth Ford spinster aged 21 residing same place [as Robert Edwards] parents David Ford butcher (dec) and Isabella Ford ms Ritchie (dec); by warrant of Sheriff Substitute of the Lothians and Peebles dated 19th November 1902, registered 1902 November 19th at Edinburgh signed W F Mallon assit regsitrar.2 - [S9] Website Ancestry.co.uk (www.ancestry.co.uk) Source Information Ancestry.com. Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data: Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013. [Aug 2015]
- [S64] General Record Office for Scotland, online www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, General Record Office for Scotland (Edinburgh, Scotland), GROS Statutory Marriage 1902 Edinburgh 685/04 0810 image held [Apr 2013].
- [S64] General Record Office for Scotland, GROS Statutory Marriage 1902 Edinburgh 685/04 0810 image held [Aug 2015].
- [S40] BN [Apr 2012].
- [S9] Website Ancestry.co.uk (www.ancestry.co.uk) Source Citation Parish: Dundee; ED: 9; Page: 20; Line: 23; Roll: CSSCT1891_93 Source Information Ancestry.com. 1891 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007.
Original data: Scotland. 1891 Scotland Census. Reels 1-409. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. [Aug 2015]
Elizabeth Ford1
F, #12632, b. 27 June 1881
Last Edited: 12 Jul 2024
Parents:
Father*: David Ford harbour porter,foreman in hide and tallow store1 b. 4 May 1842, d. 5 Nov 1895
Mother*: Isabella Ritchie domestic servant1 b. 5 Nov 1839, d. 24 Mar 1886
Mother*: Isabella Ritchie domestic servant1 b. 5 Nov 1839, d. 24 Mar 1886
Relationship:
2nd cousin 2 times removed of Patricia Catherine Adamson
Family:
Robert Edward mercantile clerk b. Feb 1877, d. c 1936
Child:
Lena Ford Edward+4 b. 1902, d. 23 May 1936
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